[aosd-discuss] defining modular reasoning

Sean Gilbertson sean-lists at bluebeard.org
Tue Apr 26 14:59:25 EST 2005


     I'd just like to take the opportunity to beg whoever it may  
concern, to add vi input methods (and key bindings, etc.) to GUI  
project managers/code editors.  This is probably the biggest reason I  
find myself retreating from GUI code editors.

On Apr 26, 2005, at 1:18 PM, Mik Kersten wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces at aosd.net [mailto:discuss-bounces at aosd.net]  
>> On Behalf
>> Of Jonathan Aldrich
>>
> ...
>
>> I'm an empiricist about modularity.
>>
> ...
>
>> AOP without tool support can in some cases compromise the fundamental
>>
> rationales for modularity
> ...
>
> I'm an empiricist about tool support.  Mira, Rickard, and Ron have  
> already
> made all the good points about its role, and I just want to add one  
> bit of
> empirical perspective.  The vast majority of industry developers  
> wouldn't
> dream of programming without tool support.  A couple recent surveys  
> place
> the use of IDEs around 95%:
>
> http://datadino.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4
> http://servlets.com/polls/results.tea?name=javaide
>
> And we know that there is no demand for the AspectJ Emacs plug-in.   
> So while
> it may be interesting to think about "AOP without tool support", I  
> don't
> think that it lends a practical perspective on the important issues of
> adopting AOP for building real systems.  Emacs and Vi won't die,  
> but their
> reign is officially over, and we can now count on program structure  
> that's
> not explicit in ASCII to be made explicit by tool support.
>
> Mik
>
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